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The Strong Delusion

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ONCE SAVED - ALWAYS SAVED

Unconditionaly

"2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 And for this cause God shall send them a strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they might be damned who believe not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

Ephes. 4:30-32

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

This word for seal is from the Hebrew word ¡° tm' emet¡±.

The Hebrew word emet tm' when broken down means

Aleph-A'= The word of Eloheem¡±God¡±

Mem-m = Has been tested

Tav-t =And is found to be Truth¡°emet¡±

John 3:33 He that hath received his testimony m

hath set to his seal that God is ' true. t

TAV -Impression - The Seal of Creation

Is your Eternal Security in Jeopardy

Unconditional Eternal Security Refuted

How to Refute UES

This teaching is irrefutable

By:. Evangelist Timothy Vanhook

. Calvin makes the nature of penal atonement distinctly clear. He said,

"If Christ had merely died a corporeal [bodily] death, no end would have been accomplished by it; it was requisite, also, that he should feel the severity of the Divine vengeance, in order to appease the wrath of God, and satisfy his justice. Hence it was necessary for him to contend with the powers of hell and the horror of eternal death." ¹

Thus, punishment is the validating essence in penal satisfaction, not blood and death. And punishment cannot constitute Atonement whatsoever. Accordingly, as noted, there can be no deliverance from sin.

Another problem here is that Calvin had no clue why Jesus had to shed his Blood.

¡°See sin is in the Blood¡±

Hebrews 5:9 (KJV)

And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

First we will look at the meaning of the blood covenant?

The procedure for making a blood covenant can be found in Genesis 15:9,10. He said to him, "Bring me a heifer three years old, a female goat three years old, a ram three years old, a turtledove, and a young pigeon." He brought him all these and cut them in two, laying each half over against the other; but he did not cut the birds in two. The significance of this "cutting" of this covenant is found in Jeremiah 34:18. "The men who violated my covenant, who did not lift up my words of the covenant which they cut before me,

I will make them like the calf that they cut into two and passed between." When two parties wished to make a blood covenant they take the animal, cut the animal into two pieces. The two parties would then walk between the two pieces saying "I will do the terms of this covenant, if I do not, you may do to me what we did to this animal." A common covenental phrase found in the Hebrew Bible is "make a covenant." The Hebrew word for "make" is "carat" meaning "cut." The Hebrew word for "covenant" is "beriyt" and comes from the root barah meaning "meat." The Hebrew phrase "carat beriyt" (usually translated as "make a covenant") literally means "cut the meat." So if we break the covenant with God then what Happens to us?

UES*= Unconditional Eternal Security /Once saved always saved Teachings and scriptures are in Blue

EVG-TV = Evangelist Timothy Vanhook UES Refuted

¡¤ 1.,UES *Can those born of God leave Christ?

1John 2:19

"They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us.

For if they had belonged to us, (Once Saved) they would have remained

with us; (Always Saved) but their going showed that none of them belonged to us." John indicates here that leaving Christ indicates that one had never been born of God

EVG-TV 1 Refuted - Lets first put the scripture in its context.

1John.2:18-26(KJV)
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. [19] They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. "This is not saying they were never of us but rather they walked away from the Church and no longer was part of them. John's word continued refers not to the continuing a Christian, but to the remaining in the Church, if you are a Christian.

We can see that one can seece to continue in Christ as well . We can see this in Ezekiel33:12(KJV) Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth. Ezekiel33:18(KJV) When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby.

1John.2: [20] But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. [21] I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. [22] Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?

He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. [23] Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

We find the context of the scripture in [24] Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. "Let Jesus abide in you from which you recieved in the beginning " If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you,"Telling us that it is conditional IF." ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. "If you let Jesus remain in you the born again experience will remain in you and you sahll continue in the Son and the Father if you dont then no." [25] And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. "This is what you have to do to recieve Eternal Life continue in the Son dont walk away from him because then you will have no part in Him." [26] These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. "UES doctrine is spoken of here they will seduce you into believing a lie and you and your love ones will be dammed."

Many have used this 1John 2:19 to defend unconditional eternal security by saying that it posits that any departure from the faith is evidence that they were never genuine believers to begin with. Based on the presupposition that a genuine believer will remain to the end, and this lonely verse, they discard the many verses that establish the possibility of such an apostasy in favor of a singular proof-text.

While it is a fact that there are many who wear the name of Christian are not really believers at all, this does not prove that those who defect from the faith were never genuine in the estimate of their salvation.

They use this specific application of John to certain individuals as a blanket answer to any and all situations. The context of the verse in question is dealing with the false teachers who had infiltrated the church in which John is writing to. They wore the label "Christian," but it was the Gnostic version of Christianity .

Dr. Daniel Steele observed, "They were not of us." This means that they were not in sympathy with the church at the time of their withdrawal. It does not signify that they were never genuine Christians. The fact that there are withered and fruitless branches now in the true vine (John 15:2) does not prove that those branches were never alive, but, rather, it proves their former life. It is a case of manifest apostasy, beginning in the spirit and ending in the flesh."

D.D. Whedon writes, "Alford, following Dusterdieck, has an elaborate dissertation on the passage, as if it had some bearing on the question of the necessary final perseverance of all true believers. He writes as if the apostle assumed a universal law in the kingdom of God, that a man once converted always continues a saved man. But St. John's word continued refers not to the continuing a Christian, but to the remaining in the Church, if you are a Christian.

It does not say, or assume, that all Christians will forever stay Christians; but that it be assumed, when we know nothing to the contrary, that these men would have remained in the Church if they had been, and as long as they were, Christians. Why not?"

In this passage we are left with several possibilities:

1. These heretics in this Christian assembly were never truly converted, and the assertion that many make that these "anti-Christs" were never believers as evidenced by their departure. Even if we hold to this interpretation of this passage, we do not have any warrant to make a universal application outside of this specific scenario. To make every case of apostasy outside of the situation that John addresses to mean that certain people were never saved could not be proved from this singular text. The passage does not say directly, or indirectly, that a true believer cannot fall away. To draw that this verse proves that you cannot fall away and be lost if you are a believer is a mere assumption and theological interjection.

2. It is valid interpretation to say that this verse is asserting that those who leave the assembly of believers were not believers or in sympathy with believers at the moment of their departure. This does not prove that they had never been genuine believers. I believe this to be the most accurate interpretation of this passage.

3. It is true that both situations are evident in the Church. There are those who are in "membership" on a human level, but have never been a member on a "spiritual" level. They appear to be Christians, but have never been born-again.

It is also evident from the Scriptures and experience that people who have had a vital and radical conversion to Christ at a certain point in their lives have abandoned their faith later on. This is partially evidenced in the constant exhortations and warnings to believers in Scripture that they must abide, continue, endure to the end, remain, and to avoid departing, apostasy, and not to drift away. These exhortations assert real commands and possibilities. If we were unable to fall away, then these commands and exhortations are useless. The argument that a true believer cannot fall away and ultimately be finally lost would certainly imply that God is confused about this issue.

It is a confusing and contrary statement to make this passage say that, "If you ever fall away from the faith, then you were never in the faith." This is the same nonsense as saying, "If I ever leave Idaho, then I was never in Idaho." It is amazing to see how people will fly in the face of the whole of Scripture with the use of such illogical arguments, and wholeheartedly believe that they are actually making sense!

We are to believe what the whole of Scripture is teaching us, and not to build what we believe about any issue upon any singular verse.

¡¤ 2.UES *Can those born of God live a lifestyle of sin?

1John 3:6 "No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him." According to the second part of this verse, no one who lives a lifestyle of sin had ever been a "real" Christian. He had never known Christ. He had never been born of God. Furthermore, according to the first part of this verse, of those who do "live in him" (are born of God - are real Christians) not one of them lives a lifestyle of sin. Why is that? John explains a few verses later in 1John 3:9

"No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God." The word "cannot" is the greek word "dunamai" where we get the English "dynamite" and it refers to ability (see its usage in Hebrews 7:25). Those who have been born of God have lost the ability to live a lifestyle of sin because God's seed (the Holy Spirit) lives in them. The word "remain" is the word "meno" which in 1John 3:6 is translated "lives" and means the same thing here.

Conclusion: The basic resolution to the objections that both the Free Grace believers and Arminians have against Calvin's 5th point concerning the Perseverance of the Saints is to simply say that once born of God, a Christian loses the ability to chose to leave Christ and he loses the ability to chose to live a lifestyle of sin. If he does either of these, such is an indication that he had not yet been born of God.

This is what the Bible teaches. Both the Free Grace believers and Arminians tend to object to this idea in that both groups believe that after being born of God, there is no change in your free will.

2.EVG-TV Refuted - We will put the scripture in its context ,First we will look at the words abideth, seen and known .

1 John 3:6 (KJV) Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Pt.1. abideth ¦Ìέ¦Í¦Ø men'-o - a primary verb; to stay (in a given place, state, relation or expectancy) :- abide, continue, dwell, endure, be present, remain, stand, tarry (for), ¡Á thine own.\

Pt.2. seen horao, hor-ah'-o; properly to stare at [compare Greek 3700 (optanomai)], i.e. (by implication) to discern clearly (physical or mental);

Pt.3.Known ¦Ã¦É¦Íώ¦Ò¦Ê¦Ø : ghin-oce'-ko Allow, Can, Canst, Could, Cannot, Feel, Feeling, Felt, Know, Known, Knowledge, Unknown, Learn, Learned, Perceive, Resolve, Understand, Understood

Those that Remain in Him Sinneth not. Whosoever sinneth does not discern the truth and understand or take heed to it. Meaning they didn¡¯t remain in him because they didn¡¯t decern the truth and understand that one cannot remain if they sin Whosoever is abiding/ continueing in Christ Decerning and understanding the truth will not sin but if you are not abiding or obeying him then the truth is not in you and you are not free.

We see those who receive the truth in John 8:31-35 (KJV) Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue ¡°: men'-o Pt.1 ¡±in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

[32] And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. . So if we continue in the truth which these men didn¡¯t they walked away from God ¡°sinned¡± because they weren¡¯t obedient to him and the truth didn¡¯t set them free of the sin that they committed previously. This can even happen years latter when one is not continuing to obey and believe then the truth is no longer in them.

John 8:31-35 (KJV)

Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue ¡°: men'-o ¡±in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; [32] And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. [33] They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? "We as well are Abrahams seed through Christ and many say the same once saved always saved." [34] Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. "If you commit sin you are a servant of sin " [35] And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: " Anyone who serves sin abideth not in the house forever because they are a servant of sin/Satan not of God" but the Son abideth ever. "Who are Gods Sons ?

Romans 8:14 (KJV) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. "

John 8:38-47 (KJV) I speak that which I have seen with my Father: ¡° Obedience-Perfect Love¡±

and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. ¡°disobedience-sin¡± [39] They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father.¡°UES Believe this as well they say we are of the seed of Abraham ¡± Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. " ¡°If you were of the seed of Abraham you UES would as well¡± We as well if we are of the seed of Abraham we would obey Gods word ." [40] But now ye seek to kill me, ¡° UES Crucify him afresh continuously over and over.¡±

a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. " I tell them the truth " [41] Ye do the deeds of your father. "Satan/sin" Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication;

UES SAYS " We be not born of fornication were born of God it is impossible for us to be in fornication or spiritual Adultry." we have one Father, even God. "God is our Father " [42] Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: " If God is your Father you would Love Him

John 14:23-24 (KJV) Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

¡°[24] He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. ¡°[43] Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. "Because the truth is revealed to them that obey his word Jn.14-24 above" [44] Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. " The Lust of your Father you will do or say you can do " He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. " Anyone who abides not in the truth ¡°Gods word¡± then there father is the Devil 1 John 3:8 (KJV) He that committeth sin is of the devil; ¡° Or the Devil is his Father." When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. ¡°All who lie are his Children¡± [45] And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. [46] Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? [47] He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. "If we are of God -1. born Again 2. Obedient in present tense. we will hear Gods voice/words "

3.UES * Jeremiah 32:38-41 (Concerning the Promise of the New Covenant) "They will be my people, and I will be their God. I will give them singleness of heart and action, so that they will always fear me for their own good and the good of their children after them. I will make an everlasting covenant with them: I will never stop doing good to them, and I will inspire them to fear me, so that they will never turn away from me. I will rejoice in doing them good and will assuredly plant them in this land with all my heart and soul." 1John 2:19, 1John 3:6,9 (as explained above)

3.EVG-TV Refuted ¨C ¡°see the re-newed covenant ¡±
This scripture has nothing to do with the Born Again Adopted Jew.-Jeremiah 32:38-41 is only talking to the Jew not the adopted Jew. This is speaking of the 1,000 year reign of Christ when all Israel is saved at the beginning at Armageddon Zech.3:9-10 on that day , they receive Jubilee.

4.UES * John 5:24 (KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. " Jn. 5:24. The verse says " shall not come into condemnation;." Therefore, one cannot lose it!

4.EVG-TV -Refuted - These are basic salvation scriptures and again do nothing to endorse UES doctrine but they do reveal who will receive Eternal Life. What we must do now is to understand what the word Believes means ANSWER: The word in Jn. 3:16 ; 5:24 and many others is rendered "believes" and is transliterated as pist-yoo'-o; PISTEUON and is also a PRESENT PARTICIPLE in the Greek. The perfect tense in the Greek which is like an aorist tense (a definite action) that continues from that point all the way to the present. As an example, if I wash my hands I can be doing it in the present tense. When they are cleansed, as a finished act, we would be using the aorist tense. If they remained clean from that point, I could say that they were clean by the perfect tense.

Therefore, the Lord is saying here that we must CONTINUOUSLY BE BELIEVING the Father, that is, his testimony about Jesus, which implies that Jesus alone is to be the focal point of our TRUST for our soul's salvation. See Matt. 17:5 cf. Jn. 14:6. We will never be condemned, as long as we keep this condition -- a continued 100% trusting in Jesus for our soul's salvation.

We see this in Jesus doctrine of Eternal Security the Key to the Kingdom in the seed sown on good ground.

Matthew 13:23a But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; Mark 4:20a And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it Luke 8:15 (KJV) But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

Hear ¨CUnderstand-Receive and Keep with an Honest and Good Heart.

5.UES* John 6:37-40 (KJV) All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. [38] For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. [39] And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

[40] And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

5.EVG-TV - Refuted - Gods part is sure he will not throw us away but we do him we loose the Faith and our first love and depart from God

1 Tim. 1:19 (KJV) Holding faith, and a good conscience; which somehaving put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:

Facts about Faith

1. It can be shipwrecked (1 Tim. 1:19).

2. Put away or thrust away (1 Tim. 1:19)

3. Turned away from (Acts 13:8)

4. Made void (Romans 4:14)

5. Exercised in vain (1 Cor. 15:17)

6. Held to or let go (1 Tim. 1:19)

7. Departed from (1 Tim. 4:1)

8. Denied (1 Tim. 5:8; Rev. 2:13)

9. Cast off (1 Tim. 5:12)

10. Erred from (1 Tim. 6:10,21)

11. Overthrown (2 Tim. 2:18)

12. Abandoned (2 Tim. 3:8)

13. Kept or lost (2 Tim. 4:7)

14. Found missing (Mark 4:40; Luke 8:25)

15. Adequate or fail (Luke 22:32)

16. Made without effect (Romans 3:3)

17. Dead (James 2:17,20,26)

18. Obeyed or disobeyed (Acts 6:7)

19. Built up or destroyed (Jude 1:20)

20. Continued in or discontinued in (Acts 14:22; Col. 1:23; Hebrews 10:39)

Rev. 2:4 (KJV) Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

Who are given to Christ? Those who come by faith. Those that receive the gracious offer of the Father are guaranteed acceptance by Christ. What is promised is nothing more than that anyone who casts his faith upon the Christ will not be turned away! Believers do not have to fear that the availability of salvation is limited in any way. Again the present particle of the Greek those who are presently believing but if they stop believing then this is why we have a ¡°may¡± conditional..

Another Pillar has Fallen the rest are walling under the weight to hold up this doctrine of UES and they as well will soon fall.

6.UES *John 10:28-29 and I give eternal life to them, and they shall never perish; and no one shall snatch them out of My hand. 29 "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand."

6.EVG-TV Refuted - We can see as well that a Key scripture is left out again in which would put things into context. We must examine Jn. 10:27 carefully to understand who "them" and "they" are in verse 28 and what the Lord was saying. It reads, "My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they FOLLOW me." This is the only type of person, the one that meets these conditions, that will "NEVER PERISH," according to vs 29. Lets look at

John 10:27-29 (KJV)

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Those that follow him or those that obey him hear his voice

[28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. [29] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

We can see with a small amount of scholarship, that this verse can be made so everyone can understand what it is saying .

First We must go to the Greek text, the hearing ak-oo'-o; a primary verb; to hear (in various senses) :- give (in the) audience (of), come (to the ears), ([shall]) hear (-er, -ken), be noised, be reported, understand. present tense

and following ak-ol-oo-theh'-o; from Greek 1 (a) (as a particle of union) and keleuthos (a road); properly to be in the same way with, i.e. to accompany (specially as a disciple) :- follow, reach. present tense Both are in the present tense. So what does this mean? The truth is that only those who are hearing and following Jesus Christ right now are his sheep. "they follow me"?

The word translated "follow" is a PRESENT INDICATIVE ACTIVE in the Greek, which asserts something which is occurring while the speaker is making the statement. In other words, as long as we remain faithful and CONTINUE to follow Jesus, He will, indeed, assure us that we will "never perish," v.28.

No such promise, however, is given here (or anywhere in the Bible) to one that would turn and start "to follow Satan" as Paul knew could and did happen (1 Tim. 5:15)! It clearly does NOT cover such.

Some read into Jn. 10:28 the words, "under any circumstance" after the words "never perish," but they are NOT there! Jesus did NOT include them in his promise and neither should we!

The word is plain we see that sin separates us from that relationship with God in Isaiah 59:2 (KJV) But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

Those that are living in a state of continual sin are not his sheep because they are neither hearing nor following Jesus. Nor can he hear them ¡°unless they Repent¡± Who are secure? The sheep that are following his word. These cannot be snatched (taken away by force)? The sheep Who are being obedient to Jesus giving (present tense) have eternal life?

Only those who are hearing and following right now! Whom do Jesus and the Father protect in their hands? Not the one that heard and followed for a period of time such was the case with many of his disciples, John 6:66 (KJV) From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him We must ask ourselves Who are Jesus Disciples. Jesus says John 8:31 (KJV) Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; So only those who are actively believing now with an obedient faith. Is this not works? No! It is genuine faith! This is true biblical security. The term "snatch" means har-pad'-zo; from a derivative of Greek 138 (haireomai); to seize (in various applications) :- catch (away, up), pluck, pull, take (by force). This promise guarantees that the devil cannot remove the believer which is (present tense) from the hand of God. This safety is only from forces outside the believer and God Himself. A backslider removes himself from the promises of safety and security. He is not removed against his own will. Now, looking at this passage in its plain and obvious meaning, it renders no credence to the theory of UES. Another chief pillar of this doctrine has been destroyed! Now lets go to the remaining pillars that groan under the weight to save this failed doctrine. Also-This scripture don¡¯t say that we cannot walk away from that hand?

7.UES *Romans 6:8 "Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him."

7.EVG-TV Refuted - The answer is in the context of the scripture Romans 6:8 (KJV) Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

Now- The Present Particle of the Greek meaning Right Now. Not some time in the past.

if we be dead with Christ ¨C If we are dead with Christ Now not if we died with Christ as stated above falsely.

We Believe - What we must do again is to understand what the word Believes means ANSWER: The word here and in Jn. 3:16 ; 5:24 and many others is rendered "believes" and is transliterated as pist-yoo'-o; PISTEUON and is also a PRESENT PARTICIPLE in the Greek. Therefore, the Lord is saying here that we must CONTINUOUSLY BE BELIEVING the Father, that is, his testimony about Jesus, which implies that Jesus alone is to be the focal point of our TRUST for our soul's salvation. See Matt. 17:5 cf. Jn. 14:6.

we shall also live with him ¨C Those who are right now Believing ,Believe that if they CONTINUOUSLY KEEP BELIEVING the Father, that is, his testimony about Jesus. Then those who do will Live with Him in His Resurrection ¡°of Life¡±.

The Scripture continuously warns against sin we find the answer in

Romans 6:15-16 (KJV) What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. [16] Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

We will never be condemned, as long as we keep this condition -- a continued 100% trusting in Jesus for our soul's salvation.

8.UES *Romans 8:9-10 "You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness."

8.EVG-TV Refuted - The answer is in the context of the chapter we see that everyone that is in Christ Jesus don¡¯t walk in the spirit but this is for those who do.

Romans 8:1 (KJV) There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 8:13-14 (KJV) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. [14] For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

The spirit will never lead someone in disobedience or sin conclusion only those that are led by the Spirit are the true sons of God.

9.UES *Notice the Calvinistic idea of the Perserverence of the Saints. If you belong to Christ, then the Spirit lives in you. And if the Spirit lives in you, the your general outlook and your lifestyle is not controlled by yourself (loss of free-will), but is controlled by the Holy Spirit. In which case, as it says in Rom 8:1 "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus." or if you prefer the King James "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." (such a condition is automatically satisfied for those who belong to Christ as Rom 8:9,10 mention).

9.EVG-TV Refuted - [See pages 223-227] I believe in the necessity of placing the disciplines of proper behavior and restrictions on the flesh and bring my body under subjection. 1 Corinthians 9:27. My life is to be under submission to and controlled by the Holy Spirit. 2 Corinthians 10:5. What the Word of God teaches in these verses and many, many others is that you (the flesh) cannot do the things you (the flesh) wants to! To live a righteous spiritual life your body and it's appetites MUST be under bondage, or control, or be governed and constrained from doing what they want to do. It involves more than going to church - it involves every conscious act and your every thought, every value and every little thing - and especially anything that is specifically or remotely inferred in the Word of God.
If you're flesh nature is allowed to indulge and express itself you are still under bondage to the sinful flesh. That is bondage plain and simple.

They are 2 types of Bondage and we are all in bondage of one or the other.

Either your spirit man has your flesh in bondage or your flesh has your spirit man in Bondage. Read pages 223-227 for a more detailed understanding of Bondage.

John 8:34-35 (KJV)

Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. [35] And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. ¡°again only those who are led by the spirit are the true and everlasting Sons of God.¡±

2 John 1:9 (KJV)

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. ¡°Those who Transgress and don¡¯t Abide in the Doctrine of Christ don¡¯t have Christ; sin separates them, only those who continues to abide in his doctrine being obedient to him truly have him.

Those who are disobedient to Gods word are under the Law and will be judged by the Law and Eternal Death is the result of the Judgment.¡± See the Law¡±

1 Tim. 1:9 (KJV)

Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

10.UES *Romans 8:28-30 "And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified."

10.EVG-TV Refuted - The answer is Those who Love him and those who Love him will obey him so it is only for those who Obey him and are led by the Spirit not those led by the Devil.

John 14:23 (KJV)

Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

1 John 2:4 (KJV)

He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

The beginning of Romans 8: makes it very clear that those that live in the flesh are susceptible to the penalty of the flesh. They will die in that flesh and be cast into the lake of fire and there is no security in that!

It is always best to read in context what is being said and not take parts out of a chapter to make a claim. In fact vs. 8 of this chapter says very clearly that those that are in the flesh cannot please God. Vs. 1 of the chapter says there is no condemnation in those that walk in the spirit and not after the flesh. It does not say that they cannot walk after the flesh. According to UES doctrine that is not possible, but according to this chapter it is not only possible but again warned against.

11.UES *1Cor 1:8,9 "He will keep you strong to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 God, who has called you into fellowship with his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, is faithful."

11.EVG-TV Refuted - First God is Faithful but it is the person that the unfaithfulness lies in. We must go back to the context of the scripture to find the answer.

1 Cor. 1:2 (KJV) Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours: So this is only for them that are sanctified in the present tense .Sanctification is from obedience and Love not disobedience and sin.

12.UES *1Cor 3:15 "If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames."

1Cor 3:11-15 is the judgment that true believers face. Though all such people have eternal life, yet some will be rewarded more than others based on their performance. This is not a contradiction of John 5:24 which says that such people have already passed through the judgment, as the "judgment" it is referring to in that verse is the Great White Throne judgment in which unbelievers will be cast into hell. In the judgment here, it is not the person, but his works which will be burned up.

His Sovereign Power Nothing or no one is greater than the Father, which means nothing Or no one can defeat God's purpose to save us or remove us from His love and care (cf. Rom.8: 31-39).

12.EVG-TV Refuted - The answer is again found in the context of the scripture

1 Cor. 3:12 (KJV)

Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

The foundation here is the work one does for the Lord . VS. 14 If any man's work, which he has built upon, it remains, he shall receive a reward.

This scripture is clearly speaking about the person¡¯s works being judged, not their soul.

We all have works in our Christian walk and all at various levels. For God so Loved the World. Some however will have nothing to show for their life except that they were saved. They will have works but they were done under the wrong motives and therefore are not accounted to them. They will be burned up as wood, hay, and stubble, but their salvation is not what is being judged, it is their works.

13.UES *2 Corinthians 1:22 who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge.

God put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come."

UES *Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

UES * Ephes. 1:13-14 (KJV) In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, [14] Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

13.EVG-TV Refuted - Lets put the scriptures in their context.

The only Guarantee is if we keep our side of the deal.

Ephes. 4:30-32 (KJV)

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

This word for seal is from the Hebrew word ¡° tm' emet¡±.

The Hebrew word emet tm' when broken down means

Aleph-A'= The word of Eloheem¡±God¡±

Mem-m = Has been tested

Tav-t =And is found to be Truth¡°emet¡±

John 3:33 He that hath received his testimony m

hath set to his seal that God ' is true. t

Introduction to Hebrew Letters
Alef	Beit	Gimmel	Dalet	Hei	Vav	Zayin	Chet	Tet	Yud	Kaf
Lamed	Mem	Nun	Samech	Ayin	Pei	Tzadik	Kuf	Reish	Shin	Tav

TAV
Impression - The Seal of Creation

The Zohar states: "the tav makes an impression on the Ancient of Days." "The Ancient of Days" refers to the sublime pleasure innate within the "crown" (Will) of Divine Emanation. The letter tav (here referring to the "Kingdom of the Infinite One, Blessed be He") leaves its impression on the "Ancient of Days." The impression is the secret of simple faith in God's ultimate omnipresence the Infinite present in the finite, for "there is none like unto Him" (the conclusion of the above quotation from the Zohar).

This faith passes in inheritance from generation to generation, from world to world, the malchut ("kingdom") of the higher world linked to the keter ("crown") of the lower world.

The tav, the final letter of the alef-beit, corresponds to malchut ("kingdom"), the final Divine power, in the secret of "Your Kingdom is the Kingdom of all worlds." The impression of the tav is the secret of the power that links worlds - generations - together.

The initial impression of true faith was that which was stamped upon the soul of our first father, Abraham, "the first of all believers." This is the secret of Abraham¡¯s purchase of the Cave of Machpelah, the original Jewish cemetery, for four hundred (the numerical value of tav) shekel, the secret of our eternal inheritance of "four hundred worlds of pleasure," sealed with the stamp of simple faith.

God's seal (in Creation) is truth (in Hebrew, emet, spelled out by the final letters of the three last words in the account of Creation: bara elokim la'asot," " ...God created ¡®to do¡¯"). The last letter or seal of the word emet, "truth," itself - the seal of God's seal - is the letter tav, simple faith, the conclusion and culmination of all twenty-two forces - letters - active in Creation. The three letters which spell emet are the beginning, middle and ending letters of the alef-beit." The alef corresponds to one¡¯s initial awareness of Divine paradox in the infinite source (where the higher and lower waters, joy and bitterness, are absolutely one). From this awareness issues mem, the fountain of Divine wisdom, ever- increasing power of insight into the mysteries of Torah. "The final end of knowledge is not to know." The culmination of the flow of Divine wisdom in the soul (after all is said and done) is the "majestic" revelation of the infinite "treasure-house" of simple faith in God's absolute omnipresence below innate in the soul of Israel. The culmination of truth simple faith is the secret of the "tav." "All follows the seal," in the secret of "returning light" from the tav to the alef, thereby forming the word ta, "cell." Around the inner Sanctuary of the Temple were constructed many "cells" or "small chambers." These "cells" were without windows, thus being completely dark inside. Chassidut teaches that these "cells" reveal the level of "He places His concealed place in darkness," the awareness of simple faith reaching into the absolutely "dark" Essence of God.

So we are taught: "Torah is the impression [the tav] of Divinity; Israel is the impression [the tav] of Torah." Divinity is perceived first through the service of deepest meditation in complete silence (submission), the secret of the chash ("silence") of chashmal. (Then, through the means of an intermediate stage of "circumcision," comes a first expression of mal, "circumcision." Torah is the secret of separation between good and evil - circumcision - the cutting off of the foreskin (evil).\ Israel, the ultimate manifestation of God's Word in Torah ("Israel" is an acronym for the Hebrew phrase

"There are six hundred thousand letters in the Torah") corresponds to the final level of "speech," the "second" mal of chashmal. Speech, communication of God's oneness between souls, is the ultimate level of Divine service, "sweetening" all reality, as taught by the Ba'al Shem Tov. The tav, simple faith, is here seen to be the power of impression and linkage uniting the apparently paradoxical extremities of Divine service, from the utter silence of meditation to the loving communication between souls.

FORM A dalet joined to a nun. A stamp or seal.

¡¤ Divinity:

The reading of the Name Havayah. God as Judge. God¡¯s seal on all of reality: the source of teshuvah and the potential of individuality.

NAME Sign; impression; code; in Aramaic: more.

¡¤ Divinity

The Divine power of continuation present in the end The advantage of light which shines from darkness. The last letter of the account of Creation: rectification, the seal of truth. The last letter of the first word of Creation: the ultimate origin.

So the ones that are sealed are the ones that have tested the word of God and fount it to be truth and Are obedient in the present tense to the truth.

Now we will continue

Ephes. 4: [31] Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

[32] And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

¡°Continuation from chapter 4 to 5 ¡±

Ephes. 5:1-17 (KJV) Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; [2] And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. [3] But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; [4] Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. [5] For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. [When we put it in its context it says No whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

It says no it doesn¡¯t say if one has been sealed and born again they are exempt it says no. If you lie you¡¯re a liar if you covet you are a covetous person and so on.]

[6] Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Children of disobedience not the children of obedience.

.[7] Be not ye therefore partakers with them. [8] For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: [9] (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) [10] Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. [11] And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. [12] For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. [13] But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. [14] Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. [15] See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, ¡°We can walk as fools if we choose to do so but if we do Read the 10 Virgins what happens to the foolish Virgins. They don¡¯t make it to Heaven with the Bridegroom.¡±

[16] Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. [17] Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

Those that are sealed will be those that are obedient and vs.5] no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Vs.6] Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

After it is put into context then we can understand what it is saying.

Conclusion those that have studied the word tested it and fount it to be truth and are obedient to it will do well on the Day of Redemption which is at the Judgment Seat of Christ.

Ephesians 1:13-14; 2Cor.1:22 These verses do not say whether believers can break this seal or not, but the whole of Scripture proves that they can.

Observe that the Holy Spirit is only a down payment on our inheritance and that we do not possess the fullness of this gift until the Lord returns. The fullness of this promise is only to those who endure to the end. The Scriptures tell us to "Be faithful until death and I will give you a crown of life." (Rev. 3:5,21). The Lord preserves the faithful (Psalms 31:23), not the unfaithful. This is the true perseverance of the Saints!

Finaly The word "seal" in itself does not give us the mode in which we are sealed, nor does the word itself give any indication whether the seal can be broken or not. Many will charge that this is clarified by the clause "unto the day of redemption." They read "unto," the Greek "eis" as till, or all the way to the day of redemption. They see this as proving that the seal is guaranteed through to the day of His coming. This stems from a misinterpretation of the ambiguous "unto" of the King James version and by not looking at the original Greek. All versions of the Scriptures since the KJV, and the unanimous consensus of the Greek scholarship of our day goes against this interpretation. Most translate this passage as, "for the day of redemption." The idea of the passage is that we were sealed with a view to the day of redemption. The passage does not say that we are guaranteed this sealing all the way to the day of redemption, or are sure of our arrival at this designated end. The possibility of grieving the Holy Spirit, which is the "seal", implies that this passage is meant as a warning and not as a passage of assurance as the Eternal Security proponents demand. This verse admits the possibility of grieving the Holy Spirit, which implies that there is a real danger and that this seal can be broken.

14.UES *Ephesians 1:5 "he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will--"

14.EVG-TV Refuted - Everyone is not predestined or in the context of this scripture - God Knows the ones who will be the elect of God and inherit the Kingdom of God before he created man because he knew our decisions that we would make. . We find them in Ephes. 1:4 (KJV) According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Those that are Holy and without blame before him in Love are the Chosen.

15.UES *Ephesians 1:11 "In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will,"

15.EVG-TV Refuted - It is Gods will that none perish but that¡¯s not the case. Again-Everyone is not predestined or in the context of this scripture - God Knows the ones who will be the elect of God and inherit the Kingdom of God before he created man because he knew our decisions that we would make. . We find them in Ephes. 1:4 (KJV) According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Those that are Holy and without blame before him in Love are the Chosen.

16.UES *Hebrews 7:25 "Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them."

16.EVG-TV Refuted - The truth of this scripture is that anyone who comes to God with true repentance ¡°The word Comes is ¦Ð¦Ñ¦Ï¦Òέ¦Ñ¦Ö¦Ï¦Ì¦Á¦É¡ª pros-er'-khom-ahee¡ªWhich is the present particle of the Greek meaning those who are coming presently not last week ,year or so on.¡± He is able to save from all sin to the uttermost or completely meaning not partial. Example if you lie you are a liar but if you ask for forgiveness he is able to forgive you completely of that sin it don¡¯t take per say the Father as well Jesus has the Authority, in all places, at all times, and under all circumstances.

The condition of salvation is coming/presently to God by Him . He can save you from any sin Because He is an everlasting priest, and has made the only true atonement for sin, This don¡¯t mean he will save you from your sins for eternity.

Those that endure till the end shall be saved or those that come to God who have sinned against him with a repentive heart .

17.UES *1John 5:4 "for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith."

UES *1 Peter 1:5 ¡°who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.¡± (blue)

17.EVG-TV Refuted - We find the answer in vs. ⁵ Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

Again-Those that believe now the present particle of the Greek.

I agree that we are protected by the power of God through faith ,and this is the victory that overcomes the world

Faith is the present particle of the Greek which means one with faith now not last week or last year and so on.

God has given everyone enough faith to get saved/Born again Faith unto Salvation

Romans 12:3 (KJV) For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. Everyone is given the faith to be born again

Ephes. 2:8 (KJV) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Faith is a Gift of God it is not something that you can just come up with on your own but he gives it to you with Love. This Gift is Given to everyone not Just Believers but to sinners this was how we were saved by faith unto righteousness unto Grace.

Ephes. 6:16 (KJV) Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. The shield of faith is what will get us from Level to Level as our shield grows in strength.

How do we increase our faith

Romans 10:17 (KJV) So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Everyone that has ever been saved New and Old Testament saints were saved exactly the same way by faith unto righteousness looking to Jesus the Messiah .The Old Testament saints were saved by looking to the Cross and we are saved by looking back to the Cross. We all follow that same Rock and that Rock is Jesus/Yahshua the Christ/Messiah.

God Has NO respect of persons and we are judged the same New and Old. The Old Testament saints were saved by the Grace that followed them.

What happens when a person loses that faith? The following scriptures indicate that it is very possible for that faith to be lacking.
2Cor:13:5: Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
Col:1:23: If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
1Tm:1:19: Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
Facts about Faith

1. It can be shipwrecked (1 Tim. 1:19).

2. Put away or thrust away (1 Tim. 1:19)

3. Turned away from (Acts 13:8)

4. Made void (Romans 4:14)

5. Exercised in vain (1 Cor. 15:17)

6. Held to or let go (1 Tim. 1:19)

7. Departed from (1 Tim. 4:1)

8. Denied (1 Tim. 5:8; Rev. 2:13)

9. Cast off (1 Tim. 5:12)

10. Erred from (1 Tim. 6:10,21)

11. Overthrown (2 Tim. 2:18)

12. Abandoned (2 Tim. 3:8)

13. Kept or lost (2 Tim. 4:7)

14. Found missing (Mark 4:40; Luke 8:25)

15. Adequate or fail (Luke 22:32)

16. Made without effect (Romans 3:3)

17. Dead (James 2:17,20,26)

18. Obeyed or disobeyed (Acts 6:7)

19. Built up or destroyed (Jude 1:20)

20. Continued in or discontinued in (Acts 14:22; Col. 1:23; Hebrews 10:39)

1 Tim. 1:20 A man who thrust away and made shipwreck of his faith, becoming a blasphemer (1 Tim. 1:19-20) and a false teacher, overthrowing the faith of others (2 Tim. 2:16-18).

Another man who thrust away and made shipwreck of his faith (1 Tim. 1:19

20) and who became an enemy of the gospel (2 Tim. 4:14-15; Acts 19:33).

Both of these men had faith and a good conscience before making shipwreck

of them (1 Tim. 1:19). Thus, we not only have reference to a possibility of

such shipwreck, but also a record of examples. Perhaps like in 1 Cor. 5:5.

According to UES doctrine the losing of faith is not possible but according to these scriptures it is very possible and in fact warned against. Why would any of the inspired writers feel the need to warn of something that is not possible? Notice the condition to this security. It is through faith. Sin is not faith. It is unbelief, or anti-faith. As long as believers are constantly abiding in the faith, the power of God keeps them. Since they have their faith in Jesus Christ, they have the security that is promised.

If eternal security were true, why is it never stated in the Bible that, "It is impossible for a believer to lose his salvation?" It is because the doctrine of eternal security is nothing but a lie!

These pillars Of the UES doctrine have fallen and the rest will soon follow.

Gods Word Never Changes for anyone

18.UES-*2Tim.2:13 (KJV) If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself UES-* ¡°God Cannot Deny himself in you if you are saved¡±

18.EVG-TV Refuted - This scripture has nothing to do with one being born again / saved but rather 2Tim.2:13 (KJV) If we believe not, ¡°It does not matter how we believe¡± yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself ¡°Jesus is the Word. God is faithful to His word he will not change for me or for you he has to be faithful to his word and cannot deny it himself.¡±

Psalm 111:7-9 (KJV)

The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure. 8They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness. 9He sent redemption unto his people: ¡°Old and New Testament saints alike.¡± he hath commanded his covenant for ever: ¡°The one made with Abraham Be ye perfect¡± holy and reverend is his name.

Hebrews 13:8 (KJV)

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. ¡°Old and New Testament saints the same¡±

The key to verse 13 is to put it into context with verses 14-15 -2Tim.2:14-15 (KJV) 14Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. ¡°Don¡¯t strive for man made doctrines and traditions but for the truth which when obedient to it will make you free¡±

15Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. ¡°We had better study because we don¡¯t want to be ashamed upon judgment day. The key to getting understanding is obedience.

We fear God that we will fail him from a want too heart not because we will be cast into the lake of fire.)Another Pillar has fallen and the rest are soon to follow.
19.UES-*Ephesians 1:6 ¡°to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved¡±

19.EVG-TV Refuted - I totally agree with this verse but it has nothing to do with eternal security. We should put the scripture in its context and see how we are to live our lives to do this we must read vs.4 .
Ephes. 1:4 (KJV) According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, vs.4 that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

20.UES - If we say that we must continue in the faith to be saved, and continuing is a "work" that we do, does this not mean that we void grace for a gospel of works? Ephesians 2:8 says, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

20. EVG TV - Refuted - Many have labeled Paul's words in this passage as an "anti-works discourse." By doing so, they pit Paul against James and Jesus since they both contend for good works and fruit as part of salvation. Upon a closer observation we can see that Paul was in no way against works as being concomitant with genuine conversion and salvation.

You may be asking how I would reconcile Paul's statement in Romans 4:5 where he said "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."?

The context is clear, Paul is arguing against earning salvation, and at this point, he has nothing to do with the works that accompany genuine conversion. In the preceding verse he said "Now to him that worketh, is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt." Which clarifies the meaning of the following verses. We could work forever and never repay our debt, but justification is a "gift" apart from any "meritorious works."

But what about Ephesians 2:8-9, " it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.?"

Once again the Apostle is correcting the erroneous theory of salvation by works, and is not contending that a Christian can live out a "workless" and "fruitless" salvation. Verse 10 illuminates the context by saying " For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." It is clear that the Christian is empowered to do good works because Jesus is working them through us! This is the context of the verse at hand. Paul establishes that it has been ordained by God that we are created in Christ Jesus unto good works! We cannot do anything on our own. Good works can only be produced by us because Christ is working them through us! We are his workmanship.

Jesus said in John 15:4-6, "Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine: no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: For without me ye can do nothing." Salvation and fruit bearing are inseparable; you cannot have one without the other. If we are saved, we must bear fruit because we are in the vine. If we do not produce good works, it is only evidence that we are not one of his! The works we do are accomplished from the fact that Christ is working them through us. He is the sap and energy of our spiritual life.

We have a part in this work, but since our hearts have been changed to do them with a right motive through regeneration, God generously gives us rewards for what he produces through us.

If "faith" and "believing" are essential as conditions to enter into salvation, then why should they not remain essential? And if we say that faith and belief are not requirements for salvation, we must ask ourselves as to why we should ever preach or need a Bible.

How can "believing" be required for salvation and not be classified as a work? How is it possible for belief to not be a work before salvation, and then have it somehow become a work after salvation? It is because believing is not a work of merit!

Again God gives every man and woman ever born the free gift of a measure of Faith Romans 12:3 (KJV) For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. Everyone is given the faith to be born again

It is not a matter of works

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that we keep our salvation but is wholly a matter of obedience. If we are obedient to Him then all the works will follow. We will se latter in this study that the works spoken of here are works of man not God.

Grace thru faith is the instrument through which salvation is made available to all of mankind, but it is made quite clear in scripture that salvation is not only an "event" but as long as we are still alive upon this earth it is also a "process" that is maintained by faith ("by [because of God's] grace are you saved through faith"). This same faith, if it is neglected and never characterized by obedience to God's Word, as IS indicated, will inevitably wind up ¡°DEAD.¡± We have seen that Grace is the same Old and New Testament. See Born Again¡±

UES SAY, "He saves from beginning to end." which is true, but he does not save us apart from ourselves and without conditions! If we were saved without ever having to believe, trust, accept Him or receive His gift, then I could accept your warped logic. If there are no conditions required in order to receive eternal life, then I could believe that there were no conditions to retain it. The Scriptures prove your theory to be wrong!

UES also argue that Jesus makes us "Free indeed," but you ignore the context and make His words a license to sin! "How sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? Jesus answered them, Verily, Verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. Who are the sons of God Those who walk in the spirit. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." John 8:32-36. Free indeed from what? The penalty of sin? Or, sin itself? It is sin itself! This is the Word of God!

UES say that I manipulate people with fear and bondage. In this you are wrong! I present the Gospel message that we can have hope and be free from the bondage of sin and death! But you will not accept this because you do not believe the Gospel or the Scriptures! You would rather rely on theories that stroke your ego by saying that it is virtuous to be defeated in sin! You appeal to 1 Jn. 5:13 "That you may know that you have eternal life," and make it to mean "that you may know that you have eternal security" without ever looking at the fruit of your life to see if you were and or are or ever Born-Again and regenerated!

Let no man suppose that he possesses any grace of God apart from the fruit thereof! "You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do: he was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him." UES-s, REPENT AND BELIEVE THE GOSPEL!.........Enough Said!!!!

21.UES-* The following seven approaches set forth the case for the believer's eternal security, "buckled up for safety" because of the power of God and the overwhelming sufficiency of the person and work of Christ.
UES-* The Trinity Approach
UES-* The first argument for the eternal security of the believer stems from seeing how all three persons of the trinity work in concert to make and keep us secure in Christ.
UES-* From the Standpoint of the Son

UES-* Romans 8:31-39 what then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things? 33. Who will bring a charge against God's elect? God is the one who justifies; 34 who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us. 35. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 Just as it is written, "For Thy sake we are being put to death all day long; we were considered as sheep to be slaughtered." 37 But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us.

38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

21.EVG-TV Refuted - The key piece of the scripture above is vs.39 with all the previous verses leading up to this question. What will separate us from the love of God? Nothing? Surprised? John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. ag-ap-ah'-o; perhaps from agan (much) [or compare Hebrew 5689 (`agab)]; to love (in a social or moral sense) :- (be-) love (-ed). Compare Greek 5368 (phileo). Vs.32 for us all Vs.33 The Elect are only the ones who will be obedient and be blameless and make it to Heaven the Elect is not everyone who claims salvation only them that obey the word till the end. God loves everyone sinner and Christian and Hypocrite.

22.UES-* Hebrews 13:5 (KJV) Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

UES-* God said he will never leave us nor forsake us By this he is telling us after we are Born Again he will never depart from us know matter what we do.

22.EVG-TV ¨C Refuted - The key to this ¡°Hebrews 13:5¡± scripture is ¡°for he hath said¡± Hebrews 13:5 (KJV) Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

¡°If he has said it then where did he say it ?¡±Deut. 31:6 (KJV) Be strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid of them: for the Lord thy God, he it is that doth go with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee.

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The truth is that this scripture has nothing to do with Eternal Security but rather that if we are Obedient to his word he will always be their to help us fight our battles Just as he was with Joshua ¡°Read all of chapter 31¡±

Nothing can separate us from His love as He loves us, He will love us no matter what, but He will not force us to serve Him.

His love was displayed for us before we were born as Jesus was preordained to die before the foundation of the world. He loved us before we loved Him. His love will never change, but we do not remain in His grace unless we obey Him. He loves us while we are ¡°YET¡± sinners. We do have eternal security on God¡¯s side but it is not guaranteed on our parts.

God will always remain the same and His love, commandments, conditions, and expectations will always be the same.

23.UES-* The declaration in Romans 8:34, "Christ Jesus is He who died," is given in answer to the questions of verses 31-33, and in anticipation to the questions and declarations of verses 35-39. The goal of verse 34, however, is to show the absolute security of the believer. Two reasons are stated in relation to God the Son:

23.EVG-TV Refuted - All Unconditional Eternal Security believers really need to go back to the beginning of this chapter because it is very contradictory to what they are saying here. Vs. 34 is not guaranteeing our security but simply stating what we already know, that Jesus is the one that paid the price for us. The beginning of this chapter makes it very clear that those that live in the flesh are susceptible to the penalty of the flesh. They will die in that flesh and be cast into the lake of fire and there is no security in that! It is always best to read in context what is being said and not take parts out of a chapter to make a claim. In fact vs. 8 of this chapter says very clearly that those that are in the flesh cannot please God. Vs. 1 of the chapter says there is no condemnation in those that walk in the spirit and not after the flesh. It does not say that they cannot walk after the flesh. According to UES doctrine that is not possible, but according to this chapter it is not only possible but again warned against.

24.UES-* (1) Christ Died as Our Redeemer and Substitute:
UES-* By His death Christ removed the barrier that separates mankind from God. Man's sin and God's holiness, which form a barrier between the sinner and God, were dealt with at the cross so God is free to justify us, declare us righteous through faith in Jesus Christ. The same truth is declared in the following verses.

UES-* Romans 3:23-24 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; 25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; 26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

27 Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.

28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

24.EVG-TV Refuted - This verse is distinguishing between our faith being in the works of the law or faith in Christ¡¯s work. It is saying nothing of eternal security. It is obvious that our salvation is through the work of Jesus and not the law.

The question is the same as previously, can that ¡°faith¡± be lost? Abraham was Justified by faith unto righteousness before Jesus was crucified and Resurrected before what we call the age of Grace but Grace has always been .

The Key to these scriptures as far as being forgiven is in vs.25 we are only forgiven of past sins and says nothing about future ones if we were forgiven of future ones it would be stated. Romans 3:25 (KJV) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

¡°See We are under the same covenant God Made with Abraham¡±

25.UES-* Romans 5:1,8: 1. Therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 8. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. The book of Hebrews states Christ's death is the only sacrifice which counts and in once and for all time.

25.EVG-TV Refuted - I could not agree more that our justification is through Christ and His work is what demonstrated that love for us.

Christ died for everyone ¡°For God so loved the World¡± Everyone has the free gift of a measure of faith as stated above.

Christ Death was and is the only perfect Sacrifice.

Satan Illegally killed Jesus because the wages of sin is death and Jesus Knew no Sin. By this we have been given a blood transfusion and it is clean until we Defile it with sin.

The allusion to the book of Hebrews is speaking about Christ¡¯s blood compared to the animal sacrifices of the Jewish law. I agree that Christ¡¯s sacrifice is once for all and that is why I have such disagreement with Catholicism. I also know that His blood is good for all time and as I said before we are always secure on God¡¯s behalf. It is our side that is in question. It is interesting that UES use these verses in Hebrews but fail to mention chapter 6: 4-6 which says:
Heb.6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5: And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6: If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

UES makes the word 'enlightened' (gr.photizo) of Heb. ch.6,4-6 to mean a mental or intellectual enlightment only, while acknowledging that the word 'enlightened' of Eph.1-18 is a spiritual enlightment.

Likewise they admit that the word 'illuminated' of Heb.ch.10-32 means a spiritual enlightment, not knowing that the two words of Heb.ch.6-4 and 10-32 are both identically the same and both being 'photizo' in the greek, the same as Eph.1-18. There Paul referred to "The eyes of their understanding being enlightened" and we know that they were saved and filled with the Holy Ghost as mentioned in Acts ch.19,1-6.
I assume that when he shouts "READ," I am to look at the verse anew and that I should see the error of my way. I am to see that this is not about losing salvation, but losing REWARDS! Now, I have met this request to re-examine this passage with the intent of seeing the truth of what it says. This is the conclusion that I have walked away with:

1. The subject of rewards is not directly stated in this passage.

2. The subject of rewards is not even implied in this passage.

3. The subject of rewards is not anywhere to be found in the immediate context in which this verse sits.

4. There is not anything within the Greek text that could lead us to this conclusion.

5. The plain English in this passage does not help us to find these "rewards" that UES asserts are in this passage.

6. The only place that I can seem to find that this passage is speaking of rewards is to be found in UES imagination¡¯s!

7. No matter what amount of exegetical magic we can conjure up, we cannot make this passage to have anything to do with the issue of rewards!

Since the Reverend is so concerned about the subject of rewards within the book of Hebrews we should pause a moment and see what this book has to say.

"For if the word spoken by angels was steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just reward." Heb. 2:2

Notice that EVERY sin received a JUST reward! Do we really believe that this statement is to convince us that this is not true for those who think they are Christians? The following passage is connected to this subject of sin and its undesirable reward.

Heb. 2:3"How shall WE escape, if WE neglect so great salvation?"

The writer himself( includes himself in the statement "we") understands that there is a just recompense for sin, and that there is a danger if he were to neglect his salvation. The just punishment for sin is inescapable if he were to become indifferent to this great salvation.

The Apostate in Hebrews 6:4-6 does not "lose" rewards as the UES argues that this passage does not say. From what the book of Hebrews is saying, the Apostate "gains" the rewards of a just punishment!

Concerning the rewards of salvation the writer of Hebrews has something to say! To the one that would be tempted to fall away because of trials and tribulation he says,

Heb. 10:35."Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompense of reward."

There is a great reward for the one who refuses to throw away their confidence in God! Great reward is promised to only those who do not cast it away!

Teachers and preachers are supposed to be directing people toward the truth. I cannot but be troubled at the damage that can be brought to souls that are deceived into believing this absurd approach of reading what they want into the Scriptures! I do not know what method that the UES use to arrive at this interpretation of Scripture, but whatever it is, it is demonstratively absurd and dangerous!

26.UES-* Hebrews 9:11-14. But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation; 12. and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption. 13. For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled, sanctify for the cleansing of the flesh, 14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

26.EVG-TV Refuted - Again, this is speaking of the completeness of Jesus¡¯ blood as opposed to that of the animal sacrifices. It is not endorsing eternal security.

The Law never saved anyone only faith unto righteousness did .The Old Testament saints were Begat or Born again just as we are;¡° they looked to the cross as we have already seen¡±.

27.UES - The Greek tense of the word "sozo" (saved) in Acts 16: 31 is in the aorist tense which means we are saved once for all. "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."

27.EVG TV - Refuted - This statement is taken from a website that defends unconditional eternal security. I present it here to show how sloppy scholarship is used to promote this doctrine to those that are ignorant of the Greek language. One would assume that this evidence from the Greek was accurate since the assertion tries to explain the Greek tenses to the common English reader. The falsity of this statement, and its lack of any scholarship is so glaring that I felt obligated to address it here.

First I would like to discuss the statement that is asserted here, I.E. "sozo" (saved) in Acts 16: 31 is in the aorist tense which means we are saved once for all. " The aorist tense tells us that this is an action that is to be completed in a moment. There is nothing within the aorist tense that establishes that the effect of this action is for all time, or that the action is irrevocable.

Secondly, the text in question does not have the term "sozo" in an aorist tense, it is in the future tense.

The passage exhorts jailor that if he and his household believes in the Lord, they may be saved. This had not yet happened and was yet in the future.

The verse prior to this, verse 30, uses the aorist tense when it says, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved? (sozo). The Bible always uses the present tense of "believing" as a condition of final and future salvation. The Bible does have several examples of the aorist tense of "believe" and "saved" when it concerns an individuals stepping from death into life. We would call this "conversion," or being "born-again." This experience is accurately shown as a decisive act by the aorist tense. But stepping into salvation is not speaking of future or final salvation. That is not the context in these passages.

Where the Bible speaks of a believers future and final salvation, we see a consistency of the Scriptural usage of the present tense which establishes that one must continue in this belief to have a present tense salvation.

When looking at the Greek tenses, we must also remember to look at the immediate and surrounding context in order to see what the passage is talking about. A tense in any form does not prove anything apart from its context.

28.UES - In Ephesians 2:8 we read "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God." Saved is in the Greek perfect tense which means that we were saved in the past and will go on being saved forever.

28.EVG TV - Refuted - What this argument is based upon is the perfect tense in the Greek which is like an aorist tense (a definite action) that continues from that point all the way to the present. As an example, if I wash my hands I can be doing it in the present tense. When they are cleansed, as a finished act, we would be using the aorist tense. If they remained clean from that point, I could say that they were clean by the perfect tense.

The passage in question says that it is by grace that we are saved (as an act in the past clear up through today) through faith. The condition of through faith defines what is meant by the use of the perfect tense in this passage. Salvation always has and always will be by grace. From the point of our regeneration, clear through to the end of our physical being, we are saved by grace on the condition of faith.

The perfect tense which means that we were saved in the past and will go on being saved forever, is a flawed argument in that the perfect tense does not say that "we will go on being saved forever." The perfect tense does speak of an action in the past (saved) that continues all the way to the present, and potentially into the future if we continue in the faith. Isolated as a Greek tense apart from the context, this would be an interesting argument, but this does not negate the condition of continuance through faith. The Scriptures are consistent in the use of the present tense of believing and faith when it talks of future salvation. There is no exception to this rule in this passage.

Answer: Many have labeled Paul's words in this passage as an "anti-works discourse." By doing so, they pit Paul against James and Jesus since they both contend for good works and fruit as part of salvation. Upon a closer observation we can see that Paul was in no way against works as being concomitant with genuine conversion and salvation.

This is not a difficulty if we are to look at the greater context of the whole word of God. One isolated passage from Paul does not finalize any issue in itself. The error that many well intentioned expositors make is that they do not differentiate between the "works of the law" in an effort to merit salvation, and good works which are part of the fruit of salvation. The context is clear, Paul is arguing against earning salvation, and at this point, he has nothing to do with the works that accompany genuine conversion. In the preceding verse he said "Now to him that worketh, is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt." Which clarifies the meaning of the following verses. We could work forever and never repay our debt, but justification is a "gift" apart from any "meritorious works."

But what about Ephesians 2:8-9, " it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.?"

We cannot do anything on our own. Good works can only be produced by us because Christ is working them through us! We are his workmanship.

Jesus said in John 15:4-6, "Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine: no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: For without me ye can do nothing."

Salvation and fruit bearing are inseparable; you cannot have one without the other. If we are saved, we must bear fruit because we are in the vine. If we do not produce good works, it is only evidence that we are not one of his!

The works we do are accomplished from the fact that Christ is working them through us. He is the sap and energy of our spiritual life. We have a part in this work, but since our hearts have been changed to do them with a right motive through regeneration, God generously gives us rewards for what he produces through us.

Continuance in faith is not earning salvation through works. There is no merit is casting ourselves upon the mercy of God as sinners who are without any hope of earning our salvation. Many people speak as if "believing" after we are born-again is a horrible thing because they classify it as a "work." This issue can be cleared up is we are to ask ourselves if there are conditions in the Gospel. If "faith" and "believing" are essential as conditions to enter into salvation, then why should they not remain essential? And if we say that faith and belief are not requirements for salvation, we must ask ourselves as to why we should ever preach or need a Bible!

29.UES-"The Bible tells us that salvation is a GIFT of God, and you cannot lose that gift! "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT of God." And "the gifts and calling of God are without repentance."

29.EVG TV Refuted - -This analogy of a gift and its supposed conclusions seems to convince many, but it is greatly flawed.

First The free Gift is Faith to be saved by Grace and everyone is given a measure of faith at Birth. Romans 12:3 (KJV) For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Secondly, to say that because it is a gift, and that it cannot be lost, does not have any parallel in human or spiritual experience.

People are given gifts at many times within their lives and have become careless and lost them. Many have discarded gifts that they have been given in favor of something that they would rather have. The appeal that because this is a "gift" more accurately shows us the possibility that one can abuse what has been given to them. The same is true of salvation.

, we are told by the Scriptures that this "gift" of eternal life is intended and available to all. There are conditions that we must meet in order that we should be able to receive this gift, namely, repentance and faith. If there are conditions that are given in order to receive this gift, does it not make sense that these conditions must be present in order to retain the gift? If we cease to believe, and if we cease to repent and remain in our rebellion, we are in essence casting off this gift for something else!

"The gifts and calling of God are without repentance." This has been called into the service of those who desire to say that any gift of God cannot be taken away. The problem with this "proof-text" is context, context, CONTEXT! Before we take any Scripture and run with it, we must examine the meaning of that verse within its own context. To make any Scripture serve a purpose outside of what the author intended, is to dishonor God and the truth that He has revealed to us. To wrench a verse out of context is dishonesty, or at best, sloppy exegesis!

The setting of this verse in Romans 11:29, is the issue of the salvation of Israel in light of the Gospel being given to the Gentiles. "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits, that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved......for the gifts and calling of God are without repentance." Romans 11:25, 26, 29. The context is that God has not turned His back on Israel. "God has not cast away his people which he foreknew." Romans 11:2. The Gifts and Callings is about the Promises to Israel and the fulfillment of them.¡± nothing Else¡± Now, it is clear that not all physical Israel shall be saved, but only the elect the 1/3^rd. that make it through the fire of the tribulation and then are saved at Armageddon on Jubilee.l. Only by faith shall they be saved. "For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel.....that is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God." Romans 9:6-8.

In conclusion, God¡¯s gifts and calling to Israel are without repentance. His turning to the Gentiles for a time does not mean that He has reneged on his promises to them as a people.

This verse has nothing to do with eternal security or the impossibility of God allowing us to cast away His gift of life! In fact, the CONTEXT paints an entirely different picture! We are told plainly that Israel was broken off because of UNBELIEF! Romans 11:19-24, "Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. Well; BECAUSE OF UNBELIEF THEY WERE BROKEN OFF, and thou STANDEST BY FAITH. Be not highminded, but FEAR: For if God spared not the natural branches, TAKE HEED LEST HE ALSO SPARE NOT THEE. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them WHICH FELL, SEVERITY; but toward thee, goodness, IF THOU CONTINUE in His goodness: OTHERWISE THOU ALSO SHALT BE CUT OFF." We too must not become high-minded or we are in danger of being cut off too! If we stand by faith, and continue in His goodness, we have no fear of being cut off.

30.UES-* We aren¡¯t under the law we are under Grace now after Pentecost one can be saved and Receive the Grace of God through Faith unto Eternal Life. Ephes. 2:7-8 (KJV) That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. [8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

30.EVG-TV Refuted ¨C The Fact is all who are sinners and or disobedient Christians or Jews are under the Law ¡°see the Law¡± 1 Tim. 1:9 (KJV)

Secondly we must ask ourselves can that grace be given to one in vain fallen and removed ? Answer yes according to -2 Cor. 6:1 (KJV) We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain. Galatians 1:6 (KJV) I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Galatians 5:4 (KJV) Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Hebrews 12:15 (KJV) Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; ¡°We see that Paul told the Jews to continue in Grace.¡± In Acts 13:43 (KJV) Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God. We see that Grace abounded even under the Law in- Romans 5:20-21 (KJV) Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: ¡°Speaking of during the Law Grace abounded ¡± [21] That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord. We see that all men old and new Testament have seen Grace.

Titus 2:11 (KJV) For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Grace is mentioned 38 times in the Old Testament. We see that the Grace of God is increased through the Promise at Pentacost of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 4:16 (KJV) Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, We see that Grace was given to all who walk uprightly Psalm 84:11 (KJV) For the Lord God is a sun and shield: the Lord will give grace and glory: no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.

We see a Greater amount of Grace was to be after the Death of the Messiah which would come at Pentecost .¡±Which was the Baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues of fire. See the three baptisms.¡±

1 Peter 1:10-11 (KJV) Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: ¡°Then we see that the Spirit was in them ¨COld Testament Saints¡± ¡° [11] Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

Psalm 111:7-9 (KJV)

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. ¡°Old and New Testament saints the same¡±[See the Abrahamic Covenant]

31.UES * John 4:14 - but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life.

1. Citing John 4:14 and John 7:37 for the Greek word pinw (drink) Frederick Danker informs us that "In J, Jesus calls those who are thirsty to him, that they may drink the water he gives them and never thirst again (A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature, page 814).
2. Concerning water (Greek: hudwr) William Mounce writes that Christ:
lets anyone who is thirsty to come to him for drink, and from that person will flow "streams of living water" (7:37-38), which is the Holy Spirit (7:39; cf. 20:19-22) (Mounce's Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, page 778).
3. Citing John 4:10; John 4:14 and John 7:38 for water (hudwr) W.E. Vine writes that "water would be emblematic of the Spirit" (Vine's Expoitory Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, page 1214).

4. Concerning water (hudwr) The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology (3:991) reads, "Christ pours out this water (Jn. 4:10-15; 7:37 f.), which is God's Holy Spirit (Jn. 7:39)."

Based on these 4 authoritative Greek sources we see that the "water" that the Lord Jesus spoke of clearly refers to the Holy Spirit.
But read again what Danker has writen. If one is thirsty they can go to Jesus and He will give them drink so that they will "never thirst again". This is the dichotomy that is portrayed in the conversation between the Lord Jesus and the woman at the well. One must drink liquid water "over and over" again or else they will die.

Christ offers a "one time" drink that will cause a person NEVER to thirst again (never spiritually die).
In fact concerning the English word "never" (Greek: ou me) it is a double negative. According to the Interlinear Bible: Hebrew Greek English (page 821) it literally reads, "in no way". Is one able to thirst again after initially receiving the Holy Spirit (salvation) ? Well the Lord Jesus says, "No way".
Concerning "me" (Strong's #3364) Thayer writes that, "The particles ou me in combination augment the force of the negation, and signify not at all, in no wise, by no means" (Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, page 410). Danker writes that "ou me is the most decisive way of negativing someth. in the future" (A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature, page 646).
Remember dear reader it is "decisive".

This is why the New International Dictionary of the New Testament (3:998) reads, "This water of life quenches thirst FOR ALL TIME and as a spring of life, flows out from the one who has PREVIOUSLY drunk it" (Emphasis mine).
Paul is telling Christians that nothing shall be able to tear apart the love of God which they have "in Christ Jesus" their Lord.

31.EVG-TV Refuted ¨C

Since all saints that are and will be in Heaven were and must be Born again Old and New Testament ¡°see Born Again¡± then we must see what this scripture is saying. First If one takes a drink he has the ability to never thirst again.

Can one forsake the fountain of Life?

One who was once saved in Christ Died in Jude 1:12 (KJV)
These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
The only way one could be twice dead is to be 1.Dead /a sinner then Born again / saved 2. Then Backslide and be Dead again. eternal death sentence.

We see that since they were born again Alive that they COULD drank of the Living water IN

John 4:14 (KJV) But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. We also see they had fruit and the only way one can have fruit that withers is if one is saved because ones righteousness without Christ is as filthy rags. Then they became totally without fruit.
We know them by there fruit.

Then ONE CAN forsake the fountain OF Living water
Jeremiah 2:13 (KJV) For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water. 2 Chron. 24:20 (KJV) And the Spirit of God came upon Zechariah the son of Jehoiada the priest, which stood above the people, and said unto them, Thus saith God, Why transgress ye the commandments of the Lord, that ye cannot prosper? because ye have forsaken the Lord, he hath also forsaken you.
By the broken cisterns they could hold no water Jude 1:12
UES seems to not believe the word of God when It tells us that we must be spotless-

2 Peter 3:14 (KJV) Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
Ephes. 5:27 (KJV) That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
1 Tim. 6:10-14 (KJV) For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. [11] But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness. [12] Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses. [13] I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession; [14] That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
So the man of God is to flee sin obey God with the fruits of the spirit ,so he can /"conditional meaning even though he was a man of God he had not laid hold of eternal life yet. "so he had to be spotless to lay hold of eternal life . Conclusion the Living water can be forsaken and one die and have no water and no fruit twice dead.

32.UES * 2 John 2 - for the sake of the truth which abides in us and will be with us forever
The truth.
John informs us elsewhere that not only are the words of the Father's truth (John 17:17) the same would apply to the words of the Lord Jesus (John 18:37) - He of course being the truth (John 14:6). John also informs us that the Holy Spirit is the truth (1 John 5:7).
Concerning 2 John 2 Robertson's Word Pictures of the New Testament reads, "the truth, as revealed by the Christ, and gradually unfolded by the Spirit, who is truth."
How long does John inform us that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit (John 14:23; 1 John 5:6) will abide and be with the Christian? Forever.

32.EVG-TV Refuted ¨CLets put in its context .

John 14:23 (KJV) Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

If we Love him we will keep or obey him and then and only then will Jesus and the Father make there abode with us conditional.

2 John 1:1-11 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth;

¡°From the Hebrew root word emet meaning the word of God has been tested and tried and found to be truth
and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;
¡°So this is for the ones who Know the truth so lets see who they are¡±

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¡°The truth will abide forever its not saying that it will abide in you forever but it ¡°the truth¡± will abide foreverIt says the same in Psalm 100:5 (KJV) For the Lord is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations.

Proverbs 3:3 (KJV)
Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart: ¡°The truth in ones Heart ¡°in them ¡° but a warning let them mercy and truth not forsake thee
Proverbs 23:23 (KJV)
Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.
¡°How do you buy it with obedience ,faith and Love.¡±
Isaiah 26:2 (KJV)
Open ye the gates, that the righteous nation which keepeth the truth may enter in.
Those who keep the truth not Liars can walk through the Gates of the New Jerusalem.
We see this as well in
Rev. 21:7-8 (KJV)
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. [8] But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
¡°It defiantly says all Liars not just sinners that Lie. What would be the point all sinners are already going to burn.¡±

2 John 1: [3] Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
[4] I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father. ¡°What commandment is it that we who know the truth should walk in ¡° [5] And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another. [6] And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment,

That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. ¡°So its Love and if we Love him we will obey him and we must walk in this Love to have the truth.¡± [7] For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. [8] Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. [9] Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. ¡°If you do not Abide in this truth LOVE then you don t have God you walked away from him¡± He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. ¡°He who abides in the truth LOVE has it all¡± [10] If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:¡±If there comes any teaching you that you can always have God without the truth LOVE then don¡¯t have anything to do with them.¡± [11] For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
Again 1 John 2:24-25 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. ¡°That Drink of water Jesus¡± If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ¡°IF Conditional meaning that it might not remain in you¡±
ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. ¡±If you let it continue then youwill continue in the son and the Father ¡° [25] And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. ¡°So this is the Promise the drink of water he was talking about that would give eternal life and it is Conditional. Every time eternal life is mentioned then you have to look at this scripture because this is what he was and is saying.

33.UES * Hebrews 9:26-28 Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27.And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, 28 so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, shall appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.

33.EVG-TV Refuted - It is appointed to man to die and then the judgment, does not specify anything about eternal security. He will appear the second time for all those that have kept the faith and await Him.

That is why Jesus said Himself over and over ¡°to him that endureth until the end shall be saved.¡±
Romans 6:23 (KJV) For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The judgment of sin is eternal Death and separation from God.

Jesus knew no sin. 2 Cor. 5:21 (KJV) For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Since Jesus Knew no sin because he wasn¡¯t from the seed of Adam / Man but of God and never gave way to the temptations of the flesh or of the Devil, then Satan Had no Legal authority to Kill Jesus .So his blood which was perfect/sinless cried out to Heaven to the Father and he was judged and fount to be innocent. ¡°See sin is in the Blood¡±

The fatal flaw of UES reasoning is that it deftly merges the ¡°works¡± of the Mosaic Law (¡°by which no man shall be justified¡±) along with the ¡°works¡± of obedience to God¡¯s Word which are inextricably bound to both the Old and the New Covenants (¡°faith without works is dead)

¡°see the Abrahamic Covenant¡±

34.UES- The Lord says in Hebrews 13:5 that he will never leave us nor forsake us.

34.EVG-TV Refuted - Again taken out of context lets read the complete verse

Hebrews 13:5 (KJV)

Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

¡°If he has said it then where did he say it ?¡±

Deut. 31:6 (KJV) Be strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid of them: for the Lord thy God, he it is that doth go with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee.

fail. raw-faw'; leave, let alone;.

God again is telling Israel and us as long as we are obedient to his word he will be there the help us fight the battles.

We can see what is the result for not being obedient to Gods Word that he gave Israel here in Deut.31:6.

Again God says in 2 Chron. 24:20b.because ye have forsaken the Lord, he hath also forsaken you and he says in

Deut. 31:16-17 (KJV) And the Lord said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them. [17] Then my anger shall be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them, and I will hide my face from them, and they shall be devoured, and many evils and troubles shall befall them; so that they will say in that day. Are not these evils come upon us, because our God is not among us?

So conclusion of this matter God will forsake those that forsake his word.

35.UES * Hebrews 10:12-14 but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God, 13waiting from that time onward until His enemies be made a footstool for His feet. 14 For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.

35.EVG-TV Refuted - I truly believe that this was written not only for those Jews that still held to the animal sacrifice but also CATHOLISM being that He knows the beginning and the end knew this doctrine would surface. Again, there is no need for several sacrifices but His blood is good for all time. He also clarifies that this applies to those that are sanctified, which is a lifelong process.

36.UES * (2) Christ Is Risen and Sits at God's Right Hand. The second argument of Romans 8:34 concerns the resurrection and session of the Savior at God's right hand. He sits at God's right hand as our powerful advocate and intercessor to plead our case when we sin or when accused of sin, and to intercede on our behalf by virtue of His finished work on the cross, which reconciles us to God.

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, who accuses them before our God day and night."

36.EVG-TV ¡°Refuted - We would need no advocate if we were already Innocent of all charges and Satan wouldn¡¯t waste his time accusing us Before the Father.

First- We must understand that there is a Courtroom in Heaven.

Satan is the accuser or prosecuting attorney .

Jesus is our Advocate

The Father is the Judge.

Second- We must understand that we are judged according to the Laws of God. And that God Cannot Deny Himself or his Word and he has no respect of persons.

2 Tim. 2:13 (KJV) If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

It does not matter how we believe God is faithful to his Word.

We are Judged by one of two Laws.

1. The Law of Liberty

The ones who are judged by the Law of Liberty are those who continue in the Word of God and is a doer of that Word.

James 1:25 (KJV)

But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

James 2:12 (KJV)

So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Those who are judged by the Law of Liberty will be fount innocent of all charges because of Righteousness and Obedience to Gods Word.

2. The Law of Moses

The ones who will be judged by the Law of Moses are the lawless , disobedient, ungodly , sinners, unholy , profane, murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, and manslayers,

1 Tim. 1:9 (KJV)

The lawless are those who don¡¯t live by the Laws of God. Sinner ,Or Christian.

The disobedient are those who don¡¯t believe they have to live by the Laws of God and rebel against him. Those who believe the UES doctrine are primary leaders of this Group.

The ungodly ¨CThe only way one can become un-Godly is to have been at one time Godly or Born Again.

The sinners are those who have never known God.

The unholy ¨CThe only way one can become un-Holy is to have been at one time Holy or Born Again.

The profane are all those who are heathenish, wicked or a profane person.

When we sin we are separated from God and he will not hear us when we pray unless we repent Isaiah 59:2 (KJV) But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

If God will not hear us then I doubt very much he is advocating our case because we are guilty as charged.

The result of the Judgment of the Law of Moses is separation from God and eventually Eternal Death. ¡°See the Law¡±

But we do have that Advocate if we repent of our sins.

1 John 1:9 (KJV)

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Yes Jesus finished work is enough but when we sin we have defiled the blood and we need to be cleansed again.

Jesus has and will do his part but it is our part that is always questionable.

37.UES * Romans 5:10-11 ¡°For if while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

11 And not only this, but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.¡±

37.EVG-TV Refuted - This proves nothing about UES doctrine. It just states a fact that one can be saved by Jesus. I don¡¯t make even a hint toward Unconditional Eternal Security.

38.UES * Hebrews 7:25 Hence, also, He is able to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

38.EVG-TV Refuted - He is able to save forever Those who draw closer by being obedient

¡°See Gods Courtroom below¡±

39.UES * John 17:11 And I am no more in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to Thee. Holy Father, keep them in Thy name, the name which Thou hast given Me, that they may be one, even as we are.

39.EVG-TV Refuted - May/Might be conditional
This applies to all the verses below that you use to justify this. According to what UES are saying here is that once we are saved we can do whatever we want and not worry about seeking forgiveness because Jesus is interceding on our behalf continually. The fact is that even Jesus prayed for unity it has not happened yet proving that it is Jesus will that none perish but most do.

This is the most dangerous doctrine today but it started in the Garden of Eden when Satan told Eve she wouldn¡¯t surely die ¡°why because she was a daughter of God¡± This is a Doctrine of Devils

40.UES-* John 15:5-6 "I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains ("lives") in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If anyone does not remain ("live") in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned."

¡°If anyone does not live in me": This is not to say that such a man ever lived in Christ to begin with. But those who are real Christians will inevitably produce fruit, not by their own efforts, but simply because Christ produces such through them¡±

40.EVG-TV Refuted -First of all I would like to address the blatant lie used to explain what they say means live ¡°which I have highlighted¡± we will read the scripture and go to the Strong¡¯s Greek John 15:6 (KJV) If a man abide not : eh-an'-may in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned

Greek Strong's Number: 3362 . Greek Word: ἐὰ¦Í ¦Ìή Phonetic Pronunciation: eh-an'-may Root: from <G1437> and <G3361> English Words used in KJV: except 33 -if not 16 -whosoever not + <G3739> 5 -but 3 -if no 1 -not 1 -before 1 [Total Count: 60]
i.e. <G1437> (ean) and <G3361> (me); if not, i.e. unless :- ¡Á before, but, except, if no, (if, + whosoever) not.

eh-an'-may Does not mean live

John 15:5 (KJV)

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

The key is abiding in or obeying Gods word.

UES is a Doctrines of devils;.

1 Tim. 4:1-2 (KJV)

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;. 2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

¡°Some who were saved or born again will fall away from God and believe doctrines of Devils once saved always saved unconditional..¡±

.If this is your belief then you need to throw out scriptures like 1 John 1:9 and hundreds of others that command us to seek His forgiveness. Jesus is our intercessor but it does not negate our responsibility to repent and seek forgiveness. To repent means to turn away from, and that is something not needed in this doctrine. There is no need to turn away from a sin because you can never be in danger no matter what you do.
Christ being our intercessor is a fact but it is not meant to be twisted to take the place of repentance and seeking forgiveness as UES indicate ..

We must understand that it is a symbol of a trial in Heaven when we are accused by Satan. ¡±See the Courtroom in Heaven and Sin is in the blood¡±

41.UES * Ephesians 1:3-6 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him. In love 5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,

6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved. His Love for the Son we are kept for the sake of the Son and His perfect work for our sin. Believers are "in the Beloved,¡± the place where God's love abides, and nothing whatsoever can separate us from the love of God Romans 8:39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. (cf. Eph 1:3-above).

41.EVG-TV Refuted - The truth is that nothing can separate anyone not even a sinner from the love of God

John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Again this is taken out of context and it is in no way indicating that we have a get out of jail free card to do whatever we desire. We do most certainly have all the things listed in the verse above,

as long as we remain obedient to Him. He chose us before the foundation of the world because he knew what our choices would be .Again its Gods will that none perish but most do.

42.UES * John 17:11 And I am no more in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to Thee. Holy Father, keep them in Thy name, the name which Thou hast given Me, that they may be one, even as we are. His Work of Discipline. The Father's work of discipline proves we are still sons even when we sin. He does not disown us; He disciplines us.

42.EVG-TV Refuted - It is not a matter of Him disowning us it is a matter of US rejecting Him through our disobedience. Matthew 25 gives two examples of this very thing. One of wise and foolish virgins and the other of two wise servants and one foolish one. In neither case does it say that they were never ¡°a virgin, or servant¡± He simply said that they were foolish. They made a choice in and by that choice ¡°THEY¡± forfeited their position, it was not taken from them. They lost it due to their willing disobedience. Read the accounts and you tell me where it indicates that they were immune to sin and it¡¯s consequences as this doctrine assumes.

If we forsake him he will forsake us.

2 Chron. 24:20b. because ye have forsaken the Lord, he hath also forsaken you.

41. UES * Hebrews 12:5-11 and you have forgotten the exhortation which is addressed to you as sons, "My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, Nor faint when you are reproved by Him; 6 For those whom the Lord loves He disciplines, And He scourges every son whom He receives." 7 It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you, as with sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline? 8 But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.

9 Furthermore, we had earthly fathers to discipline us, and we respected them; shall we not much rather be subject to the Father of spirits, and live? 10 For they disciplined us for a short time as seemed best to them, but He disciplines us for our good, that we may share His holiness.

11 All discipline for the moment seems not to be joyful, but sorrowful; yet to those who have been trained by it, afterwards it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness.

41. EVG-TV Refuted - I totally agree that God disciplines His children to keep them from making the mistake of continuing in a sin. However,

it never says that He will force that person to remain out of that condition. The punishment is a measure of deterrence but it does not confine them and keep them from returning to that sinful condition.

We have that choice and always will have the choice to either learn from the punishment or not. Those that do not learn and return are those that place themselves in the situation as the foolish virgins and servant.

Vs.11 -yet to those who have been trained by it, afterwards it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness.
Those that have been trained by it those are the only ones that yields fruit unto righteousness not everyone will so this only applies to those that yield fruit unto righteousness.

42. UES * 1 Corinthians 5:1-5 It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and immorality of such a kind as does not exist even among the Gentiles, that someone has his father's wife.

2. And you have become arrogant, and have not mourned instead, in order that the one who had done this deed might be removed from your midst. 3. For I, on my part, though absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged him who has so committed this, as though I were present. 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5 I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

42. EVG-TV Refuted - This scripture is merely indicating that there may be times when God thru the prayers of others such as was with Paul that God decides to destroy ones flesh to bring that person to repentance and while they are ready he will take a person¡¯s life before they are entrenched beyond repair.

That does not mean that it will happen every time to everyone. It is not a precedent but a warning that it could happen if we become callous to our condition. Only God knows which situation merits this action and He will be the one that makes the choice to take a person or not.

If you notice it is Paul that says ¡°he¡± decided to deliver this person to Satan, it is not a mandate from God ONLY IF A RIGHTEOUS PERSON PRAYS THIS PRAYER FOR THEM SUCH WAS AS WITH PAUL..

43. UES * 1 Corinthians 11:30-32 For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep. 31 But if we judged ourselves rightly, we should not be judged.

32. But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord in order that we may not be condemned along with the World.

43. EVG-TV Refuted - It seems to me that by what the UES are saying is that one can wind up in the judgment of the world if one don¡¯t judge themselves .I totally agree.

¡°IF¡± we judge ourselves BY THE WORD OF GOD, we should not be judged because we will be obeying Gods Word.. IF we judge ourselves the Lord will discipline us so that we do not end up in the world¡¯s judgment. The discipline is to keep us from becoming reprobate and ending up in the condition of the world. Some do not adhere to the discipline and therefore become as ¡°Foolish¡± virgins or servants and therefore place themselves in judgment. Sin

Isaiah 59:2 (KJV)

But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

44. UES * 1 Peter 1:5 who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. Jude 24 Now to Him, who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy,

44. EVG-TV Refuted - First we must understand that we are Kept by Faith which is the present particle of the Greek faith now not yesterday.

No one will deny that Jesus is ¡°ABLE¡± to keep us from stumbling; the question is will He force us to remain on stable ground? NO!

The word tells us in

Galatians 6:1-9 (KJV)

Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. [2] Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. [3] For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself. [4] But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another. [5] For every man shall bear his own burden. [6] Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things. [7] Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. [8] For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. [9] And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

fthor-ah'; from Greek 5351 (phtheiro); decay, i.e. ruin (spontaneous or inflicted, literal or figurative) :- corruption, destroy, perish.Eternal corruption He that soweth to the Spirit or walks after the Spirit not the flesh shall reap everlasting life If we faint not.

45. UES *2 Corinthians 5:17-19 Therefore if any man is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come. 18 Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ, and gave us the ministry of reconciliation,

19 namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
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45. EVG-TV Refuted - When we become born-again we are a new spiritual creation in God¡¯s eyes and all things are new at that point. UES would have everyone to believe that we will NEVER sin again after salvation? Our trespasses are not held against us as long as we repent and seek forgiveness continuously.

When you give people the impression through this teaching that repentance is not needed because sin cannot be a factor in their relationship all the principles of the Bible are violated.

It is Christ that reconciled us through His sacrifice back to the Father, but NEVER does He say that our sin will never be a factor again or that it cannot separate us from Him. Your sins and iniquities do separate us from God. Isaiah 59:2 (KJV)

But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

You tell me how your doctrine agrees with the following scriptures:
Hebrews 3: 6: But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
Hebrews 3: 14: For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Hebrews 10: 35: Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
Colossians 1: 23: If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

According to UES doctrine this could never happen so why the warnings? Why the ¡°IF¡± when according to UES it is a done deal forever without a chance of losing it? Why the warning if according to UES doctrine it can never happen?

46. UES * From the Standpoint of the Holy Spirit

UES * His Work of Spirit Baptism Spirit baptism refers to the work of the Holy Spirit whereby He places believers into union with the body of Christ and identifies them with Christ's person and work. If believers could lose their salvation, it would mean the body of Christ could and would be maimed. This is foreign to Scripture.

To the carnal church in Corinth, which was full of strife, envy, fornication, and drunkenness,

Paul declared, "are you not walking like mere men?" (1 Cor. 3:3). Yet, he affirmed the fact of their salvation and the presence of the Holy Spirit in their lives.

46. EVG-TV Refuted - UES have no understanding of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit which came at Pentecost.

We are baptized into Christ Body by the Holy Spirit as was the Old Testament saints but the Baptism of the Spirit is another work in which Jesus baptizes us in the Holy spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues.

Three Baptisms for Modern Believers

Paul taught that there were "baptisms" for believers (Heb. 6:2). They are the last three of the seven baptisms mentioned in scripture.

The first four are in the past. Some Christians have been called to go through the baptism of suffering, but the first three could not be experienced by men today, for they are done away with.

1.The three agents in the three baptisms for all men of today are

¡¤ the minister,

¡¤ the Holy Spirit

¡¤ and Jesus Christ.

2. The three elements that believers are baptized into are

¡¤ water,

¡¤ Christ,

¡¤ and the Holy Spirit.

3. The Holy Spirit is the agent that baptizes the believer "into Christ" and "into His body," the church (1 Cor. 12:13; Gal. 3:27; Rom. 6:4; Col. 2:12). 4. The minister then baptizes the believer in water (Matt. 28:19).

Then Christ baptizes the same believer in the Holy Ghost.

The foregoing procedure is the general order of the three baptisms, but sometimes the Spirit-baptism precedes water baptism, as in the case of Paul and Cornelius and his house (Acts 9:17-18; 10:44-48).

Otherwise, water baptism comes BEFORE the Spirit-baptism (Acts 2:38-39; 19:1-7), but it is always AFTER the baptism into Christ and into His body. This baptism into Christ is the "one baptism" of Eph. 4:5 that all men must have in order to be saved and be in the one body of Christ, the church. This is the baptism that cleanses from all sin, and makes one a new creature in Christ and a fit candidate for the baptism in water and in the Holy Spirit (John 3:3-5; 2 Cor. 5:17; Rom. 6:1-8; 1 Cor. 12:13; Gal. 3:37; Col. 1:11-13).

Water baptism is merely an outward figure or symbol of the baptism into Christ, or the inward work that brings one into the body of Christ and the family of God.

47. UES *1 Corinthians 12:12-13 For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.
UES * 1 Corinthians 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual men, but as to men of flesh, as to babes in Christ.

UES * 1 Corinthians 1:2 to the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:

UES * 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? 20 For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.

47. EVG-TV Refuted - This section has nothing that endorses eternal security. It is speaking about our position as an individual believer in the ¡°body¡± as a whole. Then UES mix in verses that deal with sexual immorality. I fail to see how this verifies the issue either way regarding salvation. The body would not be ¡°maimed¡± as THEY put it because you cannot ¡°maim¡± a spiritual entity. I also disagree with your assertion that this church was saved unconditionally. Paul warned them very sternly in a verse THAT THEY conveniently leave out. 1 Corinthians 3: 16: Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17: If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
That does not sound like the doctrine that sin cannot come between our relationship once we are saved!

48. UES * His Work in Regeneration
UES * Regeneration refers to the impartation of spiritual and eternal life, which makes us new creatures in Christ. This can never change. First, it is based on the work of the Son, not our works. And second, as physical birth makes one a child of his parents forever; so spiritual birth does the same.
UES * Titus 3:5-7 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior,

7 that being justified by His grace we might be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

48. EVG-TV Refuted - We might be made Heirs conditional.

49. UES * John 3:3-8Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." 4 Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother¡¯s womb and be born, can he?" 5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh,

and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ' You must be born again.¡¯ 8 The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit."

49. EVG-TV Refuted - ¡°Jesus reminded Nicodemus who BEING A Teacher of the Law and Torah that he should have known about the Born Again Experience .How?

John 3:9-10 (KJV)

Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? [10] Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

Deut. 32:18 (KJV)

Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee. This plainly indicates that Israel was born again, because God fathered them (Galatians 3:8; Galatians 4:29; Hebrews 4:2).

The were all saved by looking to the cross with faith unto righteousness. Same way we are by looking back to the cross with faith unto righteousness. ¡±See the New Covenant¡±

1 Cor. 10:4 (KJV)

And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

¡°see Born Again¡±

50. UES * John 3:16-18 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.

17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through Him. 18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. UES * His Work of Indwelling
UES * This refers to the gift of the Holy Spirit to indwell the believer, which was promised by our Lord as a permanent indwelling. The Spirit is given forever and given without conditions other than faith in Christ.
UES * John 7:37-39 Now on the last day, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, "If any man is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink. 38 He who believes in me, as the Scripture said, 'From his innermost being shall flow rivers of living water.'" 39. But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

UES * John 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

50. EVG-TV Refuted - Again look at the word¡¯s Faith and believes Above same usage, Those who have faith and believe now both are the present particle of the Greek meaning faith now not last week.

These are those that are and who continues in Christ, The indwelling of the spirit of measure into Christ body is not this scripture.

This is speaking of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit/Ghost with the evidence of speaking in Tongues of Fire. The Fullness of the spirit. Baptism of Holy Spirit, A "Filling" and a "Baptism" Illustrated

The difference between a "filling"and a "baptism" in the Spirit, or the Spirit

"by measure" and "without

measure" may be illustrated by a glass and a pitcher of water. To the extent

one pours water into a glass, to that extent it is filled. One can fill the glass

by pouring different measures into it at different times until it is full, or one

can fill it at one pouring. One can keep pouring until the glass is running

over and still it is not baptized. It is only full and running over. But if one

takes the glass and immerses or buries it in the fulness of the water it is both

filled and baptized.

This explains how the disciples were all "filled" (Acts2:4)

as well as "baptized" (Acts 1:4-5). A filling always accompanies

baptism, but a baptism does not accompany a mere filling.

One so "filled" and "baptized" must keep this way, for the minute one gets

out of the "fulness" of the Holy Spirit and lives in self, he is no more

baptized than the glass would be if it were taken out of the water. Like the

glass, it is possible to get out of the baptism or the fullness of the Spirit and

still retain a "measure" or be "filled" with the Spirit as before being

baptized. Christ kept baptized in the Spirit by yielding to God and by daily

praying to God for more virtue and power to bless all who came to Him

(Matt. 14:23; 17:21; Mark 1:35; 6:46; Luke 5:16; 6:12, 16; 9:18; 28:29;

22:32; John 17; Heb. 5:7). The disciples also lived in prayer and received

new fillings and anointings from time to time (Acts 4:31; 6:4).

There is no such thing as once baptized in the Spirit always baptized in the

Spirit, any more than once saved always saved; once in grace always in

grace; once healed always healed; once alive always alive; once in sin

always in sin, once a child of the devil always a child of the devil; or once

full of chicken always full of chicken. No such principle exists. Common

sense alone teaches us that certain conditions must be met continuously in

order to maintain any position in life or in God. If it takes a complete

surrender, and yieldedness to God to be wholly possessed with the Spirit, it

will take this consecration daily to maintain a life in all the fullness of God.

If one wants to always be in grace and be saved, let him stay in grace and

stay saved. If one wants to always be a child of the devil, let him continue in

sin. And if one wants to always be full of chicken, let him meet the conditions

of such a state and we all know what he would have to do.

If one ever gets baptized in the Spirit he must constantly maintain this place in God or he will lose the spiritual anointing.

51. UES * 1 Corinthians 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?

51. EVG-TV Refuted - The word tells us again as I have already proven .

1 Cor. 3:17 (KJV) If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Defile with sin Destroy in Hell.

52. UES *James 4:5 Or do you think that the Scripture speaks to no purpose: "He jealously desires the Spirit which He has made to dwell in us"?

52. EVG-TV Refuted - The UES CONTRADICTS THEIR own doctrine. The Spirit is given forever and as long as we remain and continue in the ¡°faith¡± then it is forever ours. Disobedience disannuls our faith causing us to be ¡°shipwrecked¡± as Paul put it.

2 Chron. 24:20b.because ye have forsaken the Lord, he hath also forsaken you

UES * The Holy Spirit as a Seal

UES *This is a description of the Holy Spirit from the standpoint of what He is to the believer through His indwelling. A seal in ancient times was a sign and proof of:

(a) a completed transaction, i.e., our salvation, (b) of ownership, we belong to God, and (c) of security since only an authorized person could break the seal. In this case it is God and He has promised not to do so.

UES *2 Corinthians 1:22 who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge.

UES *Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.